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1:37: Meet Carrie Murray Nellis

11:00: An adoption plan is a parenting choice

17:41: The importance of being seen

22:41: Back to the natural order

25:11: What is a successful adoption?

32:00: Adoption reform

34:01: How to reframe adoption as the heroic option

36:59: Closing thought

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Episode 13: Sharing the Adoption Option on the Sidewalk and Beyond with Carrie Murray Nellis of Abiding Love Charities

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